Drama unfolded on live TV as a journalist clashed with GB News presenter Martin Daubney in a heated argument as the pair discussed the topic of St George's Day. The segment ended as the host declared: "This is my show. I can do whatever I want." Speaking to political commentator and journalist Jonathan Lis to find out why the public has a problem with St George's Day, he said: "There's always this constant banging on about St George's wasn't even English. The flag isn't even real. Next, Jonathan, you were telling us that dragons aren't real."
Jonathan then clarified that he did not make that statement. But he admitted that there's a mismatch and that the flag is used in a divisive way.
The journalist said: "Over the last 30 years, and I'm not saying this is a good thing, the flag has come to symbolise a particular kind of identity within England, which has left a lot of people feeling like it doesn't belong to them. A lot of ethnic minorities feel that the England flag doesn't belong to them."
The interview turned intense as the presenter brought up the opposing view, and Jonathan said: "I'm very proudly English." However, the presenter interrupted and said: "I hear that a lot and that is taking the worst elements of Englishness - you probably mean the far right, do you? You mean footbal hooliganism, Tommy Robinson? And therefore say that that flag stands solely for that, which is absurd."
The guest continued: "I'm saying that the Englishness is for everyone in England. I have debated people on your channel who think that I'm not English because I'm Jewish. But there are some people who will say that English actually does belong to only some people because they say English is an ethnicity and people like me can be British but can't be English."
Jonathan then carried on to point out most people who fly the English flag are not inclusive multiculturalists as they want England "to look a certain way". He added that the football hooliganism from the 70s and 80s and the far right from the 80s and 90s.
Martin then read a quote from George Orwell's essay England, your England and said that was "more true now" despite being written in 1941.
The quote he read went: "England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality. In left-wing circles it is always felt that there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman and that it is a duty to snigger at every English institution, from horse racing to suet puddings. It is a strange fact, but it is unquestionably true that almost any English intellectual would feel more ashamed of standing to attention during 'God save the King' than of stealing from a poor box."
The guest was confused and said the quote doesn't not represent his opinion and clarified that: "I've never hated England. Very proud to be British. Obviously my conception of patriotism is going to be different from yours."
The interview then derailed into chaos as the presenter continued to hammer on "Britishness" as Jonathan called him out for not listening to him. "You have your own opinion, which you're determined to steamroll over me no matter what I say."
Martin talked over his guest and said: "That's my show, mate. I'm allowed to do whatever I want. Jonathan, happy St George's Day. I wish you peace and I think you find very, very few journalists have been supportive and loving towards the Jewish community as me."
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